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| Thread ID: 52181 | 2004-12-12 02:08:00 | Orcon vs Xtra - who's worse? | Greg S (201) | Press F1 |
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| 302232 | 2004-12-13 05:16:00 | > Having Sought and found another satisfactory > supplier, why is it wrong to: > > A advertise this . > > B repay the enemy for his evil . > > C support others in the difficulties with the > evil's . > > As long as one makes an honest attempt to avoid the > members of the unconvincable flock, whom will become > personal and nasty about it . > > D . Actually D, I never said it was wrong . In general principle that is how a healthy marketplace works, and I agree with you on all points except B, because that is an idle threat . All the individual can do is use other services and regrettably, in the midst of all the normal user churn that they experience, the disaffected few will depart unnoticed . You can repay nothing, at least not so long as you remain inside the law . My point was that winging and wittering on about the evils of Telecom/Telstra/Ihug/Orcon/Woosh/Wired Country/Whoever does nothing to improve the performance of said company, or the mood of this forum . The emotive language used is simply laughable, and if said companies ever visted PF1 to check the collective mood, they would probably take away the choicest examples for their noticeboard to amuse their staff . If you want to influence companies you have to do it the way you suggest, but without the emotive language . There is nothing evil about Telecom, at least not within the plain english meaning of that word, they are simply a very big business with an unnatural monopoly and they work their assets to provide the best return for their shareholders . If you had money invested with them you would probably applaud their actions as those of astute businessmen . Raging against the perceived or real inequities of that situation changes nothing . Cheers Billy 8-{) :| "It is said that, 'You can't change the world but you can always change yourself . ' So, if you start to change then you have already begun changing the world . " |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 302233 | 2004-12-13 05:20:00 | Greg I assume you're on the Bitstream plan? If you read their fineprint for providing bitstream you'll see they aren't obligated to provide the service at low latencies and they can have lots of packet loss. | E|im (87) | ||
| 302234 | 2004-12-13 05:21:00 | > I like Orcon, I really do...but now they are really > pissing me off ..... and when I rang them as usual > they told me something about Telecom having to > upgrade their line or something...and I don't even > know if I should believe them or not .... it's always > Telecom... according to them... > > I really wish someone from Orcon and Telecom reads > these posts and respond : 0 I sympathise with you I really do. You phone Orcon to complain and it's always a Telecom issue. You phone Telecom to complain and they don't want to know (they tell you to phone Orcon), apart from to tell you it's an Orcon problem. I'd be perfectly happy to go with Xtra if they had some decent plans that suited me. Unfortunately they don't so I choose Orcon. I'm sure I'd never have any trouble if I was with Xtra. Being with a wholesale provider, whether it's Orcon or someone else, can really try your patience, so be prepared to ride the rough with the smooth. |
barmypom (6048) | ||
| 302235 | 2004-12-13 06:31:00 | > > In general principle that is how a healthy > marketplace works, and I agree with you on all points > except B, because that is an idle threat . All the > individual can do is use other services and > regrettably, in the midst of all the normal user > churn that they experience, the disaffected few will > depart unnoticed . You can repay nothing, at least > not so long as you remain inside the law . > Billy, Idel?? I have taken at least 15 people from xtra to other services this year all are satisfied . If I had not have instigated the changes these people would still be TeleScam victims, some of them may have moved without my assistance . a fly in the ointment ammount but I am not the only one who does such . TeleScam have brought back 3 mobile customers with 027 free phone deals these people only use their allocated ammount on TeleScam, and use vodaphone for the rest . When the contract expires they will drop TeleScam again . and sell the TeleScam loss leader phones at a small profit . In the end their will be full unbundelling, Its just very frustrating seeing the country as a whole suffer to feed TeleScam's profits . If that is not an act of Evil what is?? D . > |
drb1 (4492) | ||
| 302236 | 2004-12-13 06:52:00 | > I have no TeleScam land line, I have no TeleScam > mobile. > > I will never forgive them, and I will Prortray them > negatively, every legitmate chance I get, untill the > day I die. > > They crossed me, they pay. I'm curious drb1 as to how they crossed you such that you have such a negative opinion of Tele-com/scam. What happened? Andrew |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 302237 | 2004-12-13 06:57:00 | > Don't confuse ping times with download speeds . They > are completely seperate issues . State the obvious why don't you!:^O |
Greg S (201) | ||
| 302238 | 2004-12-13 07:20:00 | Andrew, I have written it here before, They cost a company I was part of MILLIONS buy welching on a contract. Their attitude "we dont care if were wrong you can't afford to sue us". We did all the way to the court off Appeal, 3 time's, and 3 time's we won. TELESCAM were just dragging it out to cost us, the Court of Appeall said this when they increased our judgment ammount, when we won the third Appeall. Every day People lost jobs, and homes, Children had no Christmases, and went hungry. Because TELESCAM broke the law, and welched on a legal contract, just to crib a little xtra, unnessecary profit. Thats the kind of Regiem Therese Gattling-gun runs, That's the lowlife way TeleScam does business. The had to break the law to crib that profit, and they did, because they are big enough to get away with it. Most of the time. The detail is unnessecary and has been written here before, none of this is invented to justify. I will never forget the smirk on the TeleScam exec's face when he told us we couldnt afford to sue them, or the look on his face after TeleScam lost the 3Rd appeal and had to pay out millions in compensation. Problem being at the end of the day, the only ones who made anythig were of course, the Lawyer's. GO Winston's team. D. |
drb1 (4492) | ||
| 302239 | 2004-12-13 09:21:00 | Hi drb1 Sorry to hear that - I know understand. Was it a DB&M contract? Andrew |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 302240 | 2004-12-13 09:22:00 | D'Oh! ????Where is that edit button???? I now understand. A |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 302241 | 2004-12-13 09:38:00 | drb1, I never knew what you had gone through. Now I no longer see your constant "Telescam" 'rants' as ranting, as I can see your pain. Luckily TelstraClear are good :) |
george12 (7) | ||
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