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Thread ID: 135729	2013-12-05 15:03:00	any PC, $1000 upgrade, ethical?	Mirddes (10)	PC World Chat

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1361719	2013-12-08 09:56:00	clearly none of you own cars. putting money into **** cars is a multibillion dollar industry. spending $500 on a minor repair is not uncommon even though a $500 car is not unheard of. spending more is also not uncommon and this does not include the yearly mandatory fees your legislature calls for. if you work and have a car, spending $200 to polish the turd-pc you have does not seem like much. paying thousands over the lifespan of a car to fix the same problem (so many compontents repalced, problem still occurs) this seems to accepted. the reason they the ssd and ram upgrade didnt yield postive results on the 6 year old workstations is because they are no longer suitable for workstation use; for any lesser task and they are an amazing PC. i have an amd e350 after overclocking a 65nm pentium dualcore to 3ghz. tis brilliant for everything but some games and the avarage 6-8 year old pc is comparable. id like an SSD, i coudl do with mroe ram eventually (8GB would be nice with 1GB dedicated to the video chip, got a 1GB dedicated hd6450; thats 512MB per display and the CGA does not apply. firstly i deny consent. secondly its just installing some parts at or around cost. i am not a business. i am flesh and blood; still very much alive. does the mechanic who replaces a part have to replace all the other parts that his solution wiped out 6 months later when the original problem rears it's ugly head once more? (or the parts that fail with similar symptoms?) my idea was to make better of what people want to have.	Mirddes (10)
1361720	2013-12-08 11:32:00	Spending $500 on a repair could be 1% of the cars initial value. That'd work out at around $20 on a "part" for a PC. Plus, cars haven't had a need for upgrades for increasing demands. The speed limit is always 50KM or 100KM on the motorway. It's not like the road we're traveling on magically requires a faster car now to reach 100KM, or the gas you put into your car means you can't put your car into reverse. Changes in operating systems, browser requirements, even websites use a lot more RAM and data to load than they did previously.	Chilling_Silence (9)
1361721	2013-12-08 14:23:00	Spending $500 on a repair could be 1% of the cars initial value. That'd work out at around $20 on a "part" for a PC. Plus, cars haven't had a need for upgrades for increasing demands. The speed limit is always 50KM or 100KM on the motorway. It's not like the road we're traveling on magically requires a faster car now to reach 100KM, or the gas you put into your car means you can't put your car into reverse. Changes in operating systems, browser requirements, even websites use a lot more RAM and data to load than they did previously. that would be an expensive car. puppy linux browses the modern web and uses very little ram. 2GB is obscene. most of the people i know either have and old computer or a cheap computer. they are very happy with what they have. second hard parts are all they need to extend the longevity of their computers and at some point they might get a $200 computer to replace what they have. card reader, more USB ports, hardware accelerated video; HDMI, more ram, modern OS (puppy is very light weight, ultimate edition is VERY feature packed; both are free) these parts are cheap and add invaluable features to any computer $20 on a part is actually what i have suggested. though some of the parts cost more, like the ram for $51, ddr2 gets you more for a similar price (2GB instead of 1GB) the only expensive component i have suggested is a 120GB SSD for $134; however if you use puppy instead of ultimate edition a SSD is not required as most usb sticks are fast enough. let us talk of the $100 upgrade then. more ram, 1GB ddr1, 2GB ddr2, cardreader and 4xUSB3. linux on whatever harddrive you have. this is a very affordable upgrade which greatly extends the operatign capacity and utility of even the oldest dualcore computers. other than ram all components are easily recycled and even ram is easily sold off. i think few here have any real ambition.	Mirddes (10)
1361722	2013-12-08 17:25:00	that would be an expensive car. puppy linux browses the modern web and uses very little ram. 2GB is obscene. most of the people i know either have and old computer or a cheap computer. they are very happy with what they have. second hard parts are all they need to extend the longevity of their computers and at some point they might get a $200 computer to replace what they have. card reader, more USB ports, hardware accelerated video; HDMI, more ram, modern OS (puppy is very light weight, ultimate edition is VERY feature packed; both are free) these parts are cheap and add invaluable features to any computer $20 on a part is actually what i have suggested. though some of the parts cost more, like the ram for $51, ddr2 gets you more for a similar price (2GB instead of 1GB) the only expensive component i have suggested is a 120GB SSD for $134; however if you use puppy instead of ultimate edition a SSD is not required as most usb sticks are fast enough. let us talk of the $100 upgrade then. more ram, 1GB ddr1, 2GB ddr2, cardreader and 4xUSB3. linux on whatever harddrive you have. this is a very affordable upgrade which greatly extends the operatign capacity and utility of even the oldest dualcore computers. other than ram all components are easily recycled and even ram is easily sold off. i think few here have any real ambition.As stated before a ssd doesnt make much difference if the cpu isnt up to it. Yes quicker boot time, yes it will open a program faster. wont make an ounce of difference using something like flash	plod (107)
1361723	2013-12-08 18:27:00	clearly none of you own cars. spending $500 on a minor repair is not uncommon even though a $500 car is not unheard of. paying thousands over the lifespan of a car to fix the same problem (so many compontents repalced, problem still occurs) this seems to accepted. i think few here have any real ambition. . Cars? This is relevant? I have cars, cheap cars, the most we have spent on a get from A to B type car is $3000. Yes, you occasionally need to repair something, wheel bearings, CV joints and so on. However if it needed say a transmission, a motor or some expensive part you throw it away and buy another. We have recently done this, the old 500,000k - 600,000k vehicle finally got tired. Bought another vehicle for $2500. Son has just had his wheel bearing, brake linings and CV joint done - total cost $290. Helps if you have friends who are mechanics and can get the parts trade. Completely irrelevant to the subject of convincing people to stick with PCs. People are buy tablets, shall I mention this again??They like them. I know several people who had PCs, now have tablets and love them, and won't go back to PCs. You can bang all all you like, the IT industry knows this, the manufacturers know this, you seem to be stuck in the '80s. As for ambition, there are a number of people here who work in IT, several own IT businesses. They can tell you about ambition. I had a PC repair business myself. Take a look around - there are a dime a dozen here...they come, they go. The thriving businesses are those that concentrate on large business server support or those that repair, sell, refurbish smartphones and tablets etc. Omni for instance - they are doing a roaring business now. They do repair the odd PC but they get bugger all of them. 90% of their business is phones/tablets. You want a living, get your electronics qualification and get into the products that the world are into, not old tech that's going out of fashion.	pctek (84)
1361724	2013-12-08 19:20:00	and the CGA does not apply . firstly i deny consent So you are just going to rip people off and to hell with them WHEN things go wrong? As I said before a COWBOY and thats being polite . Theres been hundreds before you - same idea, same result - failure . Still boils down to if the motherboard fails after you have sold your rip off services a few weeks later and you tell the person bad luck - Expect the odd smack in the head for your troubles .	wainuitech (129)
1361725	2013-12-08 20:10:00	and the CGA does not apply. Good luck at life. You'll need it.	pcuser42 (130)
1361726	2013-12-08 21:05:00	clearly none of you own cars. spending $500 on a minor repair is not uncommon even though a $500 car is not unheard of. does the mechanic who replaces a part have to replace all the other parts that his solution wiped out 6 months later when the original problem rears it's ugly head once more? (or the parts that fail with similar symptoms?) cars are not PC's,a good newish car cost ALOT more than a new PC, so you cant compare them. Cars also cost alot more to fix. Clearly you dont have a car & have never worked on one, done any major car repairs yourself . No, when a mechanic replaces a cambelt he doesnt also replace the 10 year old clutch. When a car is fixed(properly) , the original probelm will not "rear its ugly head once more" This year , I have paid out $1600 in repairs to my $1400 car. It was not money well spend but for that sort of money most cars are old junkers. I repaired as it was too much hassle to try & replace urgenty, I needed the car for work. If someone spends say $500 on PC upgrades, they will expect it to work like a new PC. It wont be a new PC & will still be using some old components. Bare Bones NEW PC's are dirt cheap, you just cant compete with someone selling NEW upgrade PC's for $500 . But anyway, thumbs up for actually wanting to get out & do something . I suggest you learn a bit about the industry & what the public want. Some of the people posting comments here have been doing this (PC upgrades, repairs) for 15++ years. They know what they are talking about, they have had to learn the hard way. You can either take some advice from here, or you will also learn the hard way. Just because you may be just trying to help people out, wont cut it as an excuse when things go wrong & you have to pay out of your own pocket to put things right . If you offer services for free, you WILL be taken advantage of, people will just expect far too much from a free service . You ARE a business if you charge for what you do. You WILL have to cover any warranty issues yourself (out of your own pocket), you cannot contract out of the CGA . You will get caught in the middle between the parts supplier & the PC owner when there is some warranty issues that cant be resolved. PC repair/upgrade/fix is a dying industry . I suggest you look at some other line of work (honestly)	1101 (13337)
1361727	2013-12-08 22:15:00	Just seriously wondering about the repairs, I know with cameras they say the repair work is only 3 or 12 months warranty on that area only, also experience with our repaired lawnmower - is the PC somehow different? With a barebones system or tablets/laptops at $400-500 no way .. to repair or even with the thought of it re: labour charges billed per the hour to diagnose. We got a used car at Turners 3yr used for about $8k prob $18k when new at the time. We did very little stuff on it like CV joint, brake pads, bulbs, oil/filters, repatched the hole with the muffler didn't replace it, 1x cambelt. Some tyres. That's just regular. We then spent $500 on a panelbeating job with some leak and again the 2nd time $1,000 didn't work that well althou the WOF passed then the waterpump was leaking ... so we ditched the car for $500 got another. If I had a chance to get a new car that isn't much more than a repair job I rather get the new car. We only get used cars b/c of the substantial cost reduction. We prefer Turners b/c we don't like dealers. We get the extra savings and take the risk and service it thru the channels ourselves. Historically we get a 5yr old car keep it for 10yrs and flick it off. But I would admit it when we had our previous car after riding in someone's car it feels just so much better .... :p so modern does play a factor in the decision than just finance and fit for the job. Sure there are still a few Telstar and 323's out there but no thank you. But all these thing PC doesn't even come into discussion for the average Joe. Laptops are the min of what they want now. I actually know no one who has a PC apart from geeks and keen photographers. Even some keen photographers at my club have asked a guest speaker about optimising a laptop for Photoshop. I've had mine (PC) for 5yrs, could hold it for another 3 or 5yrs when it breaks get another. I only process a few digital images. But I don't see myself ever getting another laptop. Mayeb with the info on the cloud these days it makes it even easier - crash and pick up another - cash and carry.	Nomad (952)
1361728	2013-12-08 22:26:00	such funds would get the owner USB3 ports, a card reader, more ram, a SSD, a fullHD touchscreen and a reinstall of their OS OR a dualboot of their existing OS and ultimate edition linux . HDMI with a modernesque HD5450 or similar graphics card IS THIS ETHICAL? even ide laptops can get SATA SSDs with a bayconverter bluray fits into the price also i wish to plunge ahead and help the decline of PC sales by retrofitting many more than good enough computers and double their potential life-spans I don't think it matters whether what you are wanting to do is "ethical", I think it would be more use working out if there is any point to what you want to do, irrespective of what parts you want to swap out in an old PC to speed it up . I think you would learn more if you worked out why regular people are moving away from desktop PCs towards tablets and phones . I know that what I am about to say has been discussed further back in this thread but I figured I'd add my 2 cents anyway . . . So when you say you want to do your bit to reverse the decline of PC sales . . might I suggest you do a bit of research in to what caused the decline in the first place, because you might find that price is not one of those factors . .	Webdevguy (17166)
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