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Thread ID: 135729	2013-12-05 15:03:00	any PC, $1000 upgrade, ethical?	Mirddes (10)	PC World Chat

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1361769	2013-12-09 20:49:00	anyhow i think ill build a nice gaming pc out of components i already have and the addition of 4 components for less than $370 Asus H81M-E for $88 from paradigm Intel Pentium G3220 3.0Ghz for $88.90 from playtech 120GB kingston SSD for $123.89 from playtech KINGSTON VALUE 4GB DDR3-1600 DIMM NON-ECC for $65 from pcforce i have the case, psu, optical drive and a kvm so im all set to have a decent machine with quite a lot of upgrade potential It's a personal thing as to what you find acceptable to spend on upgrade parts and what constitutes a "nice gaming PC". For me personally if I was going to indulge in one of the aforementioned "snide remarks" I'd say that was a nice gaming PC if you like to play card games. I'm a gamer, I'd consider that hardware below entry level for any serious games. If you consider it worthwhile it is - for you. That doesn't mean any potential customers or posters on this site will agree with your assesment. Although testing has confirmed the pentium CPU's do game well recent titles have started utilising 4 cores and more CPU power and for this reason Tom's Hardware have dropped the Pentiums off their reccomended entry level gaming CPU list in favour of 4 core Athlons at the same price. A recent about-face that tech savvy gamers are aware of. Note they were at the absolute bottom of the list even when they were included www.tomshardware.com	dugimodo (138)
1361770	2013-12-09 20:57:00	Yep, I imagine I'll be out of a job within 6months or less. PC repair business is looking pretty grim. Its not easy to pickup new corporate clients , they almost allways already have IT support. Home user market has really dried up . Other repair/install industries are also struggling. When I first started here, many years ago, there was too much work, our company had a 7+ day backlog of jobs in the que. :crying So what are your other interests in the IT field? Does software or app development (games/business/web) interest you? PC repair business is a dead horse. The iDevice/Android device business and app development businesses are the new race horses. The PC repair business is like the horse and buggy cart when everyone else is driving cars.. the irrelevant get left on the heap.	Webdevguy (17166)
1361771	2013-12-09 21:24:00	No no no, USB 1.1 is really slow. USB 2.0 is still good enough for a lot of usage. Agreed. 480mbps is still significantly faster than most WiFi USB cards, 100mbps network interfaces (And subsequently slower internet connections). An external USB HDD with a sustained write speed of 50MB/sec will still perform just fine over USB2.0 (400mbps out of the 480mbps max). Many USB thumb drives that people are buying that are "USB3.0 compatible" are simply faster because the manufacturers have gone and put in faster flash in the actual drive itself. Many USB drives that are USB2.0 rated will perform nowhere near the max speed they can. This USB drive next to me writes at around 3 -> 4MB/sec. My 5 year old Sandisk Ducati writes at 20MB/sec. Would USB3.0 make any difference? Nope, none...	Chilling_Silence (9)
1361772	2013-12-09 22:50:00	we have not upgraded to USB 3 . maybe if u are doing large file transfers regularly . don't use USB sticks these days anyway maybe if others wanted some photos like from the wedding but once off, generally for photos they just need it on Facebook . . so I think that while never really used an iPad are USB that necessary for the end user . . . . . . and apple has a camera kit adapter anyway . . . . . . . and it has wireless . on the pc USB 2 is fine for that keyboard mouse webcam external hdd and printer scanner . correct me but while it's 480mbps USB 2 hdd works some what slower right dunno what is that is for large file transfers they never really approached that speed from memory but my esata was faster . on sata my hdd runs at 65MB per sec that's about 500mbps at a guess but it was more like 300mbps via usb2 for me . but again not matter unless regular large file transfers	Nomad (952)
1361773	2013-12-09 23:53:00	correct me but while it's 480mbps USB 2 hdd works some what slower right dunno what is that is for large file transfers they never really approached that speed from memory but my esata was faster. on sata my hdd runs at 65MB per sec that's about 500mbps at a guess but it was more like 300mbps via usb2 for me. but again not matter unless regular large file transfers USB 2.0 has a theoretical maximum burst speed of 480mbps which tends to drop back down during the time of the transfer. Firewire was a sustained transfer rate of about 400mbps or 800mbps but it never really caught on USB 3.0 (also known as SuperSpeed USB) has a maximum bandwidth rate of 5 gbps (gigabits per second). That translates to 640 MBps (megabytes per second)—ten times faster than USB 2.0 (aka Hi-Speed USB). Intel’s Thunderbolt technology allows theoretical data-transfer speeds of up to 10 gbps on each of its bi-directional channels.	Webdevguy (17166)
1361774	2013-12-10 02:36:00	USB 2.0 has a theoretical maximum burst speed of 480mbps which tends to drop back down during the time of the transfer. Firewire was a sustained transfer rate of about 400mbps or 800mbps but it never really caught on USB 3.0 (also known as SuperSpeed USB) has a maximum bandwidth rate of 5 gbps (gigabits per second). That translates to 640 MBps (megabytes per second)—ten times faster than USB 2.0 (aka Hi-Speed USB). Intel’s Thunderbolt technology allows theoretical data-transfer speeds of up to 10 gbps on each of its bi-directional channels. None of that is any good if the thumb drive you're using only writes at < 10MB/sec :p	Chilling_Silence (9)
1361775	2013-12-10 02:44:00	None of that is any good if the thumb drive you're using only writes at < 10MB/sec :p That would be the maximum speed then ;)	Webdevguy (17166)
1361776	2013-12-10 04:11:00	None of that is any good if the thumb drive you're using only writes at < 10MB/sec :p these thumb drives you speak of (the vast majority of them) are what grinds me the most about file transfers but when you're shuffling several TB around and you have to contend with a 1TB external that gets no more than 20-25MB/s usb2 is a glaring annoyance. my 1TB usb3 external gets 100MB/s pretty consistently. my raid0 only gets 60-80MB/s but thats also on a PCI bus. the specs i outlined for myself allow me to pick up a second-hand i7 in a few years although depending on the forecasted longevity of AM3+ i may consider an amd system ... either way the base performance will be good enough while allowing for plenty of opportunistic upgrades which are less possible with higher end components - eah single component upgraded should give triple figure performance boosts save for the ram - shall upgrade to a 8GB stick as ddr3/4 reach price parity putting the old 4GB stick with the 4GB stick i have in my e350 server. for less than $50 4 front usb3 ports and a card reader is pretty sweet. if usb3 isnt your thing you can get the same thing wiht usb for less than $20, though you'll need several usb2 headers rather than a usb2 header and a 1xPCIe slot (everyone has spare PCIe 1x slots...	Mirddes (10)
1361777	2013-12-10 04:23:00	but when you're shuffling several TB around and you have to contend with a 1TB external that gets no more than 20-25MB/s usb2 is a glaring annoyance. ... several TB's !!!!!!! How much data do you have ?? Are you google by any chance, or the NSA ? :thumbs:	1101 (13337)
1361778	2013-12-10 04:50:00	several TB's !!!!!!! How much data do you have ?? Are you google by any chance, or the NSA ? :thumbs: 2x. I have a digital SLR and been with a camera club since 2007 I think. With 2 or 3 Win7 backup images also I have only consumed 200GB of my 500GB. Excl the boot drive as it's my 2nd drive but that's like 40GB. Speaking of the common end user I would be surprised if they did have a regular backup routine at best maybe copy some impt files to a external HD and a USB stick.	Nomad (952)
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