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Thread ID: 135977	2014-01-05 09:11:00	More Microsoft exec departures mark end of a Windows era	zqwerty (97)	PC World Chat

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1364343	2014-01-06 04:53:00	Then the long-winded roundabout way of starting in Safe Mode is a bit of a joke...................bring back F8 I say :) There is a way of bringing up the Startup Settings window at every start up, but how often does one need to use safe mode? Now to find a way to make F8 a hot key.................. (I think I did get F8 to work the first time I went into safe mode) You cant rerally balme W8 for that, its NOT just the OS, its a LOT to do with the Motherboards and the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI), which has been around since Jan 2007. If there, and UEFI is active, try booting from a CD/DVD or USB drive -- generally you cant, thats because the options are disabled. Generally it doesn't matter what the OS is. If you want to enable the F8 function its simple ( quick way). All you do is open a Command prompt ( right click run as admin) and type in bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy legacy to put it back to how it was: bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy standard Done. Mind you even SIMPLE command prompts are not known by the majority of home users. The longgggggg way is to go through the PC Settings, alter a few settings reboot, ya de ya etc, and finally get to the options to boot into safe mode. :)	wainuitech (129)
1364344	2014-01-06 04:59:00	Customer confusion much? Manufacturer confusion much? What I see is a device that tries to be a jack of all trades but a master of none. I'm betting that the attempt to run two different operating systems will cause heaps of confusion for 90% of tech illiterate customers. Also why do you need a clunky add on running Windows when you already have a fully supported tablet that runs some version of Android. Yes, I agree, customers want choice, but give them too much and all you end up with is a confused unhappy customer who will buy some other product. Also if they drop the price to push more tablets out the door, Asus end up killing their own profit margins as they race to be the cheapest most unprofitable product in town. Right now if they just want to get the job done customers can choose from any one of a bunch of Android tablets that have access to a whole store of apps or they can buy a decent iPad with even more apps. So you are sayign that Ms shodul keep Windows fro the desktop and a decreasing market. And let Android and Apple have the tablet market. You could be on to something there. It obvious to us all that desktops and tablets are going to co-exist for the next x years.	Digby (677)
1364345	2014-01-06 05:14:00	They are main stream now, and yes Android users are experiencing pretty much all of the malware issues and due to the nature of the way Android is made available and the way the store is run I wouldn't expect that situation to change in the near future. Links please. I don't believe that as a general statement, having personally been an Android user for well over four years with absolutely NO issues encountered... I can't say the same for Windows unfortunately. And I have posted elsewhere here about my Apple hardware/usability experiences (best forgotten).	johcar (6283)
1364346	2014-01-06 06:32:00	You cant rerally balme W8 for that, its NOT just the OS, its a LOT to do with the Motherboards and the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI), which has been around since Jan 2007. If there, and UEFI is active, try booting from a CD/DVD or USB drive -- generally you cant, thats because the options are disabled. Generally it doesn't matter what the OS is. If you want to enable the F8 function its simple ( quick way). All you do is open a Command prompt ( right click run as admin) and type in bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy legacy to put it back to how it was: bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy standard Done. Mind you even SIMPLE command prompts are not known by the majority of home users. The longgggggg way is to go through the PC Settings, alter a few settings reboot, ya de ya etc, and finally get to the options to boot into safe mode. :) Right, I already found that bcd editing trick of changing standard to legacy after I posted. Another command line is "bcdedit /set {bootmgr} displaybootmenu yes" which gives the Startup Settings window at each boot up I mentioned earlier.	Terry Porritt (14)
1364347	2014-01-06 07:03:00	So you are sayign that Ms shodul keep Windows fro the desktop and a decreasing market. And let Android and Apple have the tablet market. You could be on to something there. It obvious to us all that desktops and tablets are going to co-exist for the next x years. Yup you got it in one :)!	Webdevguy (17166)
1364348	2014-01-06 07:08:00	Links please. I don't believe that as a general statement, having personally been an Android user for well over four years with absolutely NO issues encountered... I can't say the same for Windows unfortunately. And I have posted elsewhere here about my Apple hardware/usability experiences (best forgotten). I'll hunt some down for you. As to your Mac user experience.. Yup I've known a few long term windows users to suffer from similar frustrations when they are unable to do things on a Mac that were familiar to them on Windows. Let's just say that some of us are probably just a bit more patient, resourceful and open minded to change than others when it comes to changing platforms ;)	Webdevguy (17166)
1364349	2014-01-06 08:54:00	I'll hunt some down for you. As to your Mac user experience.. Yup I've known a few long term windows users to suffer from similar frustrations when they are unable to do things on a Mac that were familiar to them on Windows. Let's just say that some of us are probably just a bit more patient, resourceful and open minded to change than others when it comes to changing platforms ;)My forgettable experience was moving from PalmOS to iOS and also involved a bug in the iOS Calendar that I discovered when I first got the phone and which Apple seemed to have no interest in resolving and was not resolved before I unceremoniously dumped the piece **** 3GS that bricked on me three times in six months. Had I been able to go back to PalmOS I would have, however I moved to AndroidOS and have not looked back	johcar (6283)
1364350	2014-01-06 21:34:00	My forgettable experience was moving from PalmOS to iOS and also involved a bug in the iOS Calendar that I discovered when I first got the phone and which Apple seemed to have no interest in resolving and was not resolved before I unceremoniously dumped the piece **** 3GS that bricked on me three times in six months. Had I been able to go back to PalmOS I would have, however I moved to AndroidOS and have not looked back Fair enough. I heard that the PalmOS actually started out with a very promising future.	Webdevguy (17166)
1364351	2014-01-06 22:19:00	Desktops might drop in popularity but I can't see they will ever go away - if you are a serious gamer or someone who wants to do serious work, or run anything that needs a decent amount of processing power behind it, a tablet just won't cut it.	Agent_24 (57)
1364352	2014-01-06 22:31:00	Looks like the next update for Win 8.1 is coming April news.softpedia.com To be known as 8.1+ or 8.1 update Looks like there is going to be major changes 2015 with Windows "Threshold" (as it will be known) www.winbeta.org Microsoft was right about having faster release cycle	Lawrence (2987)
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