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Thread ID: 136274	2014-02-11 22:11:00	Child abuse in New Zealand.	mzee (3324)	PC World Chat

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1367434	2014-02-15 00:55:00	^^ Well said B.M / tweak'e on both those last posts. I agree :) The question is, as metioned, are draconian measures required to pull people out of it? Or are they happier with "the status quo"? Well Chill, as the old adage says: “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink”. ;)	B.M. (505)
1367435	2014-02-15 01:10:00	On the other hand there are plenty of millionaires and business leaders that grew up in State Houses, our present Prime Minister being one. I guess it gets down to the character of the individual. absolutely, but its also about having the right circumstances to. the Jerry Mateparae (en.wikipedia.org) story which was on tv a while back is a prime example of that. theres a big underlying culture (nothing to do with race) thats needs to change. thats not easily done and will take a very long time to do. unfortunately the public and state officials turning a blind eye to it for such a long time has let it become so bad. tho these days people are more aware of it and police take more action over domestic violence which is a good start to dealing with the problem of abuse in the home.	tweak'e (69)
1367436	2014-02-15 01:16:00	^^ Well said B.M / tweak'e on both those last posts. I agree :) The question is, as metioned, are draconian measures required to pull people out of it? Or are they happier with "the status quo"? more needs to be done for sure. what exactly is the hard part. its a really vicious cycle to break. the parents are as only as good as what they are taught. if they are taught badly by their parents/peers then it continues. its a complex problem thats there is no simple fix for.	tweak'e (69)
1367437	2014-02-15 03:06:00	I still maintain my charge that the forum has too much racist content. This thread, like others before it relies on playing the afore-mentioned game of "Ain't it Awful". The thread keeps going around and around going nowhere continuing to do so until one or more of the parties tires of the game. Under the guise of justification, contributors offer statistics to prove their assertions re the population of prisons, victims and perpetrators of violence, rape, theft. It becomes another tool for maori bashing, albeit in a socially acceptable way, because the quoting of statistics is ... just quoting facts. If you ignore the facts, then one could be seen as burying one's head in the sand and by ignoring it, the problem is not seen, and hopefully it goes away. So yes, these (crime statistics) are facts, and do tell a story of our society not palatable to many. They should not be ignored. But what is to be gained by trotting out these statistics given an opportunity to do so? If there is no conclusion or conclusions mooted then the bottom line is, the thread has descended to rascist content and nothing has been gained excepting reinforcing - and perpetuating - the popular negatives of Maori society. That is why I welcome the pragmatic approach of tweke'e to the matter: theres a big underlying culture (nothing to do with race) thats needs to change. thats not easily done and will take a very long time to do. what exactly is the hard part. its a really vicious cycle to break. the parents are as only as good as what they are taught. if they are taught badly by their parents/peers then it continues. its a complex problem thats there is no simple fix for. Absolutely. That's where we need to start. Once that is recognised and the reasons identified, we can start to do something. But it won't be easy, it's a social problem that raises itself in many different parts of the world in as many different variations. The answer doesn't lie in a Nanny State. It doesn't lie in pretending the problem is foreign to those who live behind the gates and closed doors of the privileged and monied, because it does. Who's next? :)	WalOne (4202)
1367438	2014-02-15 04:01:00	It doesn't lie in pretending the problem is foreign to those who live behind the gates and closed doors of the privileged and monied, because it isn't. Corrected.	WalOne (4202)
1367439	2014-02-15 08:03:00	I still maintain my charge that the forum has too much racist content. Under the guise of justification, contributors offer statistics to prove their assertions re the population of prisons, victims and perpetrators of violence, rape, theft. It becomes another tool for maori bashing, albeit in a socially acceptable way Sorry Wal, but your “Racist/Maori Bashing” defense to stymy debate on the Race Issues we are experiencing in this country is a complete cop out. It worked under the umbrella of “Political Correctness” but fortunately more and more people are calling things as they see them these days. I’m afraid “Political Politeness” has been a dismal failure and is a contributor to our problems. There is nothing wrong with calling it how you see it and vigorous debate. ;)	B.M. (505)
1367440	2014-02-15 08:44:00	^^I completely agree with B.M. on this. The fact is the word racist is so overused these days that it is practically meaningless. Just the perception of racism has fuelled this multi-billion dollar gravy-train called The Treaty of Waitangi. This culture of appeasement has to stop, it has to end and nothing will stop this fissure in the fabric of out society from getting massively out of control until it does. Veni Vidi Vici (I Came, I Saw, I Conquered) The world was built on conflict and invasion, but never before the last few decades as anyone given it back or paid for it after the fact. Maybe token gestures but not to this extent. Americans stole the country from the English, I don't see the Queen bleeding billions from the American Government because of this. Alexander the Great conquered two thirds of the known world and he was loved for it, not bled for every last Daric. There are so many examples here, this is just two very well known ones. Change has to start somewhere and by standing up and telling them that they are killing their spouses and their children, it is not society, it is not poverty it is personal responsibility, you did it and it is your fault.	DeSade (984)
1367441	2014-02-15 19:46:00	As a white born English person can I claim reparations from the Germans (Saxons), French (Normans) who were actually descendants of Vikings, Scandinavians (Viking invasions), Italians (Romans) and a whole slew of other Europeans who invaded or helped to invade and take over the country of my birth? No so why do Maori expect it and lets face it their ancestry is as muddled as my own, yes we were born somewhere but its not where our ancestors came from. When I go to visit England I am almost an ethnic minority in my own country these days. So hands up who wants to give me some money.	gary67 (56)
1367442	2014-02-15 21:32:00	Its the Englanders fault we are in this predicament, why they signed a treaty with these people and no else around the world makes my blood boil. Show some kindness and this how we whites are treated. The more you give them the more they want. When I was in the airforce they wanted native meeting houses at the bases and guess what they got them. With budget cuts and efficiencies there the administration would not even give you steam off a **** let alone money unless it it made for more flying hours at the sharp end. If they were jumped in the promotion stakes they screamed racial discrimination, just like that Green MP when caught out wearing an expensive designer jacket.. Conveniently forgetting playing up on the piss and not working hard out. Sometimes there I felt like bashing my head into the hangar wall. Ask any serving or past white member of the armed forces what happens when they go drinking. On the navy ships I considered myself a pretty relaxed Flieger Staffen got on well with the ODS ABS and LS and was invited on a gunners run in Sydney. I was warned by the Master at arms not to go. Sure enough fighting started after not even two hours of drinking and I beat a hasty retreat to bars where my flight was drinking and safety.	prefect (6291)
1367443	2014-02-15 21:37:00	As a white born English person can I claim reparations from the Germans (Saxons), French (Normans) who were actually descendants of Vikings, Scandinavians (Viking invasions), Italians (Romans) and a whole slew of other Europeans who invaded or helped to invade and take over the country of my birth? No so why do Maori expect it and lets face it their ancestry is as muddled as my own, yes we were born somewhere but its not where our ancestors came from. When I go to visit England I am almost an ethnic minority in my own country these days. So hands up who wants to give me some money. Sorry, gary, nothing left to give away. Someone else took my first born and my second is far too independent to be taken. To be blatantly honest, if they were handing out bribery money to those of Scottish, English, Cornish, not to mention descendents from what was British Guiana, then I would take it too. Does that make it right? No. No. No. Any parent will probably tell those who use our hard earned money for their self satisfaction that if you select any child as being a favourite, they will invariably come to think that is their entitlement.	Marnie (4574)
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