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Thread ID: 137826	2014-08-24 07:53:00	Microsoft's got some nerve!	Vince (406)	Press F1

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1382395	2014-08-28 22:51:00	Theres one problem when missing what ever editions of Windows, Doesn't matter if a person likes them or not, if they service peoples computers and charge for it, they have to know the OS and where everything is (well the main portions anyway). When Windows 8 first came out, LOTS of techs didn't like it, and wouldn't learn it. There has been more than one time I've gone to a persons place and they have said {insert previous Company} cant be done in Windows 8 -- :illogical REALLY !!! and then you show them how to do what ever it was they were wanting in the first place. ;) Thats why when ever the beta's or previews come out they get downloaded right away and have a play with, find out whats what. :) what he said	beama (111)
1382396	2014-08-28 23:22:00	Theres one problem when missing what ever editions of Windows, Doesn't matter if a person likes them or not, if they service peoples computers and charge for it, they have to know the OS and where everything is (well the main portions anyway). When Windows 8 first came out, LOTS of techs didn't like it, and wouldn't learn it. There has been more than one time I've gone to a persons place and they have said {insert previous Company} cant be done in Windows 8 -- :illogical REALLY !!! and then you show them how to do what ever it was they were wanting in the first place. ;) Thats why when ever the beta's or previews come out they get downloaded right away and have a play with, find out whats what. :) I have the firm belief that MS and the like try to fix problems not create them. It would be commercial suicide for them to do otherwise. :+1: to both of these.	pcuser42 (130)
1382397	2014-08-29 22:50:00	So you claim never to update, then state you use service packs. Which is it? Service packs ARE updates. So you are not maintaining a secure computing environment yourself. Yet you claim the title of pc-tech and present yourself as such to the public? Spare me from imbeciles. What pctek is saying is that rather than perform constant updates they use SP's to keep the system updated. Same principle but on a less frequent basis. It also improves system uptime... generally with automatic updates, the computer gets restarted more often than not whereas with SP updates you only need to restart once the SP has completed install. Another benefit of using SP's is that they are designed to inherently fulfill pre-requisite patching requirements without needing a restart for the pre-requisite patch to take effect. So if Patch C requires patch A and B; if you're using auto update you will have to install A then restart, then install B then restart and then install C restart. With SP's they are generally designed to install all 3 and you would only require 1 restart and if you asked any pc tech worth their salt, minimising downtime (i.e. excessive reboots/shutdowns) is a good thing. It's actually not a bad practise as it does keep your environment reasonably stable. That being said if an update was released which pctek specifically needed, that required update could be manually downloaded and installed if deemed neccessary i.e. if it fixed an issue currently being experienced. Also no need for name calling and making snide remarks about someone's abilities... pctek was merely expressing an opinion and how they prefer to do things. If you disagree that's fine, but you could just say so and leave it at that or alternatively disagree and present your argument in a civil fashion which can be discussed in the forum... after all that's the whole purpose of PF1, to learn from what others are doing out there. cheers,	chiefnz (545)
1382398	2014-08-30 02:49:00	Never updated any version of Windows ever. I do use Service Packs It may not have been what you intended with these statements but they are a total contradiction. It assume you meant you've never used the update/auto update feature of windows. Not the same as what you said. And I agree there was no need for any name calling by anyone else trying to point this out. Updates are random, too many cause other issues While it's true that updates can cause issues I still believe it's safer to apply them than not to. I wouldn't say it's all that common for a serious issue to arise from it, I know some people just experienced one recently but personally I've been updating every version of windows regularly for years and can't recall ever having a real problem because of it. In fact I know there's been several occasions when I have suddenly realised minor issues I've had in the past have miraculously fixed themselves. That said this is not really important, we both are perfectly happy with the way we do things and neither of us is having any problems because of it so there is no need to persuade anyone to do thing's differently.	dugimodo (138)
1382399	2014-08-30 03:27:00	I use updates, but I carefully inspect them first before installing to make sure they're something I actually want. I've always used the "Notify only" setting and never had it change by itself. Maybe you've got some antivirus software etc which is changing it for you to be "helpful"	Agent_24 (57)
1382400	2014-08-30 12:11:00	More reaction to MS updates tech.slashdot.org	PPp (9511)
1382401	2014-08-30 21:08:00	It may not have been what you intended with these statements but they are a total contradiction. Not the same thing in my opinion. Updates happen all the time, one after another, and can cause other issues. SPs come out at considerably longer intervals and generally are the fixes, actually fixed without all the issues the previous updates and their fixes had. As for customers, I never interferred with their choice in updates unless they asked. I would give my opinions on the subject, but up to them.....	pctek (84)
1382402	2014-08-30 21:24:00	rebooting my computer is never a problem as its always turned off at the wall when not in use anyway. I'm not one of these people who leave every single device in their house on standby and then moan about the power bill	gary67 (56)
1382403	2014-09-02 05:42:00	Microsoft delivers ongoing updates now rather than Service Packs	nmercer (3899)
1382404	2014-09-02 23:28:00	Microsoft delivers ongoing updates now rather than Service Packs Only for Win8, and only so far . You could argue 8.1 is a service pack. :-) XP , Vista, Win7, Office03-2013 all had service packs.	1101 (13337)
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