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Thread ID: 136318	2014-02-17 04:24:00	NZ Roads - two lanes	SolMiester (139)	PC World Chat

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1367889	2014-02-20 08:03:00	Sorry tweak'e, it is in the road code via its interpretations under law, and is enforcable. You can and will be pulled over for inconsiderate driving, aka failing to keep left. Do that during a licence test and you'll be failed, drive like an ignorant ass**** in front of a patrol car and you'll be pulled over and ticketed. Traffic law has more teeth than that laid out in the road code, a variety of offences are laid out in legislation and policies. Drivers can argue all they like but the Courts will decide, not this forum. Cheers Billy 8-{) Great bit of research there Billy:thumbs:	Webdevguy (17166)
1367890	2014-02-20 10:00:00	Sorry tweak'e, it is in the road code via its interpretations under law, and is enforcable. You can and will be pulled over for inconsiderate driving, aka failing to keep left. Do that during a licence test and you'll be failed, drive like an ignorant ass**** in front of a patrol car and you'll be pulled over and ticketed. Traffic law has more teeth than that laid out in the road code, a variety of offences are laid out in legislation and policies. Drivers can argue all they like but the Courts will decide, not this forum. Cheers Billy 8-{) sorry but no. road code is an interpretation of the law. its not THE law and its not always current police policy. there is the actual written law which police lawyers will interpret. then theirs police policy ie no ticket for so many km/h over the limit or no ticket if within 50m of the speed sign etc. its illegal not to display odometer, but most cars now are digital and don't display. technically they are all illegal but police policy is not to enforce that rule on modern cars. thens theres the info guidelines such as rodecode, armscode etc. classic example of the difference is there was rules in the road code back 20 years ago, that where only made legal about 5 years ago. this is something that gets annoying because, as in this thread, people get bent out of shape that someone is doing something that the road code says is illegal. but in fact its perfectly legal and certain drivers know it and exploit it. failing to keep left is keeping left on the road. ie don't drive into oncoming traffic. afaik you can't be charged with "inconsiderate driving". it will come down to what they are doing thats inconsiderate and if that action breaks any actual law. ie following to close.	tweak'e (69)
1367891	2014-02-20 22:36:00	Quite right its keep left on the road or lane but not left lane.	prefect (6291)
1367892	2014-02-21 01:57:00	Nope, I know of people that have been ticketed down here before on the Dunedin>Mosgiel dual lane motorway for not keeping in the left lane. What I do wish they would get more harsh on is people not turning into their own lane. Too lazy to turn into the closest lane and indicate to turn into the lane they want!!	Alex B (15479)
1367893	2014-02-21 02:55:00	sorry but no. road code is an interpretation of the law. its not THE law and its not always current police policy. there is the actual written law which police lawyers will interpret. then theirs police policy ie no ticket for so many km/h over the limit or no ticket if within 50m of the speed sign etc. its illegal not to display odometer, but most cars now are digital and don't display. technically they are all illegal but police policy is not to enforce that rule on modern cars. thens theres the info guidelines such as rodecode, armscode etc. classic example of the difference is there was rules in the road code back 20 years ago, that where only made legal about 5 years ago. this is something that gets annoying because, as in this thread, people get bent out of shape that someone is doing something that the road code says is illegal. but in fact its perfectly legal and certain drivers know it and exploit it. failing to keep left is keeping left on the road. ie don't drive into oncoming traffic. afaik you can't be charged with "inconsiderate driving". it will come down to what they are doing thats inconsiderate and if that action breaks any actual law. ie following to close. Errr sure, this is why the 'Keep left unless passing' signs appear where passing lanes appear (i.e. you move from one lane to two). In the end the law is the law: 2.1 Keeping left (1) A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule otherwise provides. (2) If a driver's speed, when driving, is such as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic, that driver must, as soon as is reasonably practicable, move the vehicle as far as practicable to the left side of the roadway when this is necessary to allow following traffic to pass. (3) A driver may drive in the right lane in the direction of travel when driving on a multi-lane road if— (a) the driver is turning right, or making a U-turn from the centre of the road, and is giving the prescribed signal of that driver's intention to turn right; or (b) the driver is passing; or (c) the left lane is unavailable to the driver; or (d) the driver is required by any provision of this rule to drive in the right lane; or (e) a variable lane control downward-facing arrow sign indicates that the driver must drive in the right lane; or (f) the driver is avoiding an obstruction; or (g) the traffic in all other lanes is congested; or (h) the traffic in every lane is congested. Taken from www.legislation.govt.nz - the land transport (road user) rule 2004. If you fail to keep left you are both being inconsiderate, and breaking the law.	BlakJak (791)
1367894	2014-02-21 03:27:00	It would seem based on that the answer to the original question was no you shouldn't be in the right lane. I had resolved to stop posting in this thread but BlakJak Just proved what I suggested is completely legal. A combination of (2) and (3)(g) is the situation I described, i.e. travelling at the speed limit (or at least not slower than main traffic flow if really busy) and the other lanes are congested. I was never advocating hogging the lane when the others are not busy. I will admit to sometimes staying in the lane when traffic volumes drop off, but in that situation I will usually move over if I see someone coming up behind. The way some of you reacted you'd think I'd suggested 2 of my friends help me block all 3 lanes and drive at 85km/h backing everyone up while laughing at you all. All I said was I'll stay in the lane when the motorway is busy and feel no need to get out of the way of speeders. Please note the wording of (2) says "impede the normal and reasonable flow" - anything over the speed limit is outside this definition.	dugimodo (138)
1367895	2014-02-21 05:34:00	Errr sure, this is why the 'Keep left unless passing' signs appear where passing lanes appear (i.e. you move from one lane to two). In the end the law is the law: 2.1 Keeping left (1) A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule otherwise provides. (2) If a driver's speed, when driving, is such as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic, that driver must, as soon as is reasonably practicable, move the vehicle as far as practicable to the left side of the roadway when this is necessary to allow following traffic to pass. (3) A driver may drive in the right lane in the direction of travel when driving on a multi-lane road if— (a) the driver is turning right, or making a U-turn from the centre of the road, and is giving the prescribed signal of that driver's intention to turn right; or (b) the driver is passing; or (c) the left lane is unavailable to the driver; or (d) the driver is required by any provision of this rule to drive in the right lane; or (e) a variable lane control downward-facing arrow sign indicates that the driver must drive in the right lane; or (f) the driver is avoiding an obstruction; or (g) the traffic in all other lanes is congested; or (h) the traffic in every lane is congested. Taken from www.legislation.govt.nz - the land transport (road user) rule 2004. If you fail to keep left you are both being inconsiderate, and breaking the law. Cheers mate, that quite obviously says to me, stay left and in left lane period. Anyone trying to argue a case of staying where they are would probably be thought of as sanctimonious A***h***s who think they have the right to hold up everyone else on the road because they are always in the right or twat for short.... It gives me tremendous pleasure to file this note for future reference and gloating, when next the better half questions my authority of experience and ability as a driving God.	SolMiester (139)
1367896	2014-02-21 05:35:00	Whoops, took too long to write that and double posted....LOL	SolMiester (139)
1367897	2014-02-21 05:41:00	Anyone trying to argue a case of staying where they are would probably be thought of as sanctimonious A***h***s who think they have the right to hold up everyone else on the road because they are always in the right or twat for short.... It gives me tremendous pleasure to file this note for future reference and gloating, when next the better half questions my authority of experience and ability as a driving God. Pot - meet kettle	dugimodo (138)
1367898	2014-02-21 06:09:00	Errr sure, this is why the 'Keep left unless passing' signs appear where passing lanes appear (i.e. you move from one lane to two). we where talking about 50km aeras where there are no passing lanes. however excellent source of info and i stand corrected.	tweak'e (69)
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