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Thread ID: 136429	2014-02-27 02:22:00	Windows licensing costs in a race to the bottom of the barrel.	Webdevguy (17166)	PC World Chat

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1368912	2014-02-27 02:22:00	In the wake of building competition Microsoft sees lowering its OS licensing (windowsitpro.com) costs to OEMs as the only way to compete with Google's Free Chrome OS and Android device makers. That's going to hurt in the long run when the bulk of your revenue comes from OS licensing to third party OEMs. Windows does get a lot from Office but even that is declining as more users move away from traditional desktops.	Webdevguy (17166)
1368913	2014-02-27 06:15:00	You heard it here first: semiaccurate.com ;)	Agent_24 (57)
1368914	2014-02-28 18:44:00	You heard it here first: semiaccurate.com ;) A very interesting, sensational arrticle, even allowing for the typo in the first paragraph. But he missed a major point It is very hard for a company like Microsoft to compete with mobile OS's like Apple and Android which had a head start and in the case of Android were probably very low cost). What would have happened if they had carried on with windows 7 ? would desktop and laptop sales have surged ?	Digby (677)
1368915	2014-02-28 18:47:00	I some ways Microsoft deserve what they get. I remember back in the 1980's and 90's companies like Novell were Multi-billion companies with their networking software that sat on top of Dos. Then along came Windows 3.11 and added networking built-in - bye by Novell.	Digby (677)
1368916	2014-02-28 19:59:00	It is very hard for a company like Microsoft to compete with mobile OS's like Apple and Android which had a head start and in the case of Android were probably very low cost). They already had Windows Mobile which originally came out in 2000. So not sure you can say Android or even Apple had a head start. What would have happened if they had carried on with windows 7 ? would desktop and laptop sales have surged ? I don't think Windows 8 is the real reason behind declining sales. I'd say the reason is that with hardware advances over the last few years, most people now have pretty decent multi-core desktop machines and since most people aren't hardcore gamers, there has been no good reason for them to upgrade. That and people who want something for casual use are more likely to buy a tablet now than a 2nd PC, they get the added benefit of mobility, and it's cheaper than a laptop, especially if you just want to watch youtube or something and don't really need a keyboard. Though what the tablet hype guys seem to forget is that people are unlikely to abandon their desktop when they want to get some real work (tm) done, and will most likely have both devices.	Agent_24 (57)
1368917	2014-02-28 20:01:00	I some ways Microsoft deserve what they get. I remember back in the 1980's and 90's companies like Novell were Multi-billion companies with their networking software that sat on top of Dos. Then along came Windows 3.11 and added networking built-in - bye by Novell. I don't really see how that figures. Novell made their software for an OS that needed it, then a new product came out that didn't. Why should Microsoft lose money to someone else when they can make more money selling their new OS instead? Remember they are a big corporation, they aren't going to sacrifice sales to be 'nice' to some other company. I doubt Novell or anyone else would have done any different if they were in the same position.	Agent_24 (57)
1368918	2014-02-28 23:41:00	A very interesting, sensational arrticle, even allowing for the typo in the first paragraph. But he missed a major point It is very hard for a company like Microsoft to compete with mobile OS's like Apple and Android which had a head start and in the case of Android were probably very low cost). What would have happened if they had carried on with windows 7 ? would desktop and laptop sales have surged ? Unlikely because people's computer using habits had already changed and were moving away from desktop computing	Webdevguy (17166)
1368919	2014-02-28 23:44:00	They already had Windows Mobile which originally came out in 2000 . So not sure you can say Android or even Apple had a head start . I don't think Windows 8 is the real reason behind declining sales . I'd say the reason is that with hardware advances over the last few years, most people now have pretty decent multi-core desktop machines and since most people aren't hardcore gamers, there has been no good reason for them to upgrade . That and people who want something for casual use are more likely to buy a tablet now than a 2nd PC, they get the added benefit of mobility, and it's cheaper than a laptop, especially if you just want to watch youtube or something and don't really need a keyboard . Though what the tablet hype guys seem to forget is that people are unlikely to abandon their desktop when they want to get some real work (tm) done, and will most likely have both devices . Apple actually had the Newton Message pad back in the 90s . Windows did have Windows mobile but it never appealed to end users and never took off with developers . . So it crashed and burned .	Webdevguy (17166)
1368920	2014-03-01 02:36:00	To be fair you could say the newton crashed and burned for being unable to accurately and easily convert hand writing to text.	icow (15313)
1368921	2014-03-01 08:26:00	To be fair you could say the newton crashed and burned for being unable to accurately and easily convert hand writing to text. It was also ahead of its time.	Webdevguy (17166)
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