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Thread ID: 136429	2014-02-27 02:22:00	Windows licensing costs in a race to the bottom of the barrel.	Webdevguy (17166)	PC World Chat

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1368932	2014-03-03 01:25:00	Mac market share has increased since iPhones and iPads are Macs :) Also why would I want to buy a desktop computer that is susceptible to malware when I can get one that isn't and still performs the day to day stuff that I want to do. I dont think that it has increased by a market shattering amount. Because you dont want to be sucked in by marketing hype ? Because you want to run millions of programs rather than 10 Because you don't want to pay more for every identical component or accessory ? Because just about every business run on Windows Because all the games run on PC Becasese you want to use PC World Forums This needs to be diuscussed in another thread ?	Digby (677)
1368933	2014-03-03 01:38:00	I dont think that it has increased by a market shattering amount. Because you dont want to be sucked in by marketing hype ? Because you want to run millions of programs rather than 10 Because you don't want to pay more for every identical component or accessory ? Because just about every business run on Windows Because all the games run on PC Becasese you want to use PC World Forums This needs to be diuscussed in another thread ? Well the Mac desktop marketshare has stayed fairly constant over the last 5-10 years at around 7% and Windows has stayed relatively constant at around 90% (www.netmarketshare.com) That's pretty much a given. In the mobile tablet space iOS still holds about 52% (www.netmarketshare.com) And Android comes in after that. The parts that have changed is that while "every business" does run on Windows, business staff also use iPad, iPhone , Android devices to a lot of work when they are on the move. This is work that would have previously had to wait till they got back to the office to do. Agreed, hardcore games do run on PC and probably will for the forseeable future. But those "hardcore" games also cost hundreds of millions to develop and only appeal to a select dedicated audience. Mobile games can be developed for a mere 100K, and appeal to a vast global audience and successful games will often earn their developers 10k+ a day in revenue. The bottom line is, mobile games are still games, they are also more cost efficient to develop and sell. The catch with all of these changes is that the majority of consumers are not using Windows devices or PCs so there is less need for OEMs to make Windows PCs or buy Licenses from Microsoft because consumers are all buying devices that use other operating systems.	Webdevguy (17166)
1368934	2014-03-03 03:05:00	While I have my pedant hat on - do you mean "lets" s/be "let's", or "That for the record would be most computer related sites, Microsoft spends a lot and that has direct influence on content." should be punctuated differently : "That, for the record, would be most computer related sites. Microsoft spends a lot and that has a direct influence on content." That really is pedantry, and the extra commas could definitely be seen as optional. The split into two sentences is correct though, IMHO. I did mean the 'lets' and disregarded the lack of commas and wording otherwise.	user (1404)
1368935	2014-03-03 03:23:00	I did mean the 'lets' and disregarded the lack of commas and wording otherwise.So I suppose we should both now stop being an OT pedantic PITA. :)	Tony (4941)
1368936	2014-03-03 18:35:00	Yes things are getting really tough for Bill... www.nzherald.co.nz	Digby (677)
1368937	2014-03-03 20:07:00	Yes things are getting really tough for Bill... www.nzherald.co.nz Indeed ;) but he's not Microsoft anymore ;-D	Webdevguy (17166)
1368938	2014-03-03 20:28:00	Yes and no.	icow (15313)
1368939	2014-03-03 20:48:00	Yes and no . Trust me, he's not Microsoft any more . He's been out of the game for too long and the game is a fast changing one . I'm thinking the only reason that they are considering bringing him back as a "consultant" is because they are not sure of Natya's credentials and because they don't know how to come from behind on a level playing field and they are running out of options . When you are slow to change direction, are unable to bring out new software that works and less people are buying your software because they can use the oppositions stuff for free and none of your competition are afraid of you and decide on which direction to turn before you can . . . . how are you supposed to compete?	Webdevguy (17166)
1368940	2014-03-03 21:13:00	The parts that have changed is that while "every business" does run on Windows, business staff also use iPad, iPhone , Android devices to a lot of work when they are on the move. This is work that would have previously had to wait till they got back to the office to do. . Such as ?? serious question . Staff in general would want to use there ph's for office work when away from they office Excluding huge multinationals that can afford to have cust apps written for them, just what office work can ithings & androids be used for, aprt from the obvious email. True , most office staff have a ithing or Andoid , but apart from email they are really limited in the business apps they can run, in a small to medium size business. Many are using 5-10 year old software for their day to day operation. There is just no way it will run on a ithing or Android. They are better off using a 10" Win laptop that will run their software. Even Dos apps are still out there,used every day, being the backbone of some businesses.	1101 (13337)
1368941	2014-03-03 21:40:00	Such as ?? serious question . Staff in general would want to use there ph's for office work when away from they office Excluding huge multinationals that can afford to have cust apps written for them, just what office work can ithings & androids be used for, aprt from the obvious email. True , most office staff have a ithing or Andoid , but apart from email they are really limited in the business apps they can run, in a small to medium size business. Many are using 5-10 year old software for their day to day operation. There is just no way it will run on a ithing or Android. They are better off using a 10" Win laptop that will run their software. Even Dos apps are still out there,used every day, being the backbone of some businesses. Valid question :thumbs: When compared to buying a big back end CRM package which may run into multi 10's of millions of dollars for a large corporate, an iPhone or Android custom app would be costing from $80,000 to less than $200K and probably only take 3-6 months to build so it can be much cheaper. In some cases the apps will run in conjunction with existing CRM software. From what I've found the majority of phone apps tend to be used for customer facing tasks such as customer banking apps, airline booking apps, Xero accounting apps, financial advice apps, weather, ski reports that communicate with CRM servers at the back end. I know that there are small businesses like plumbers or sparkys who are on the road all day who have apps designed to take their bookings, record their hours on the job and direct them to the next job and send out invoices to the previous job. Large corporates regularly use the syncing capabilities of iPhone or Android to schedule daily appointments. It's not that an app can't do the work but more of a case of how is the work done differently on a mobile device than it was on the desktop so one of the reasons an app might be limited in its initial functionality is because that was the way it was designed. The theory being that its better to take it one step at a time and get a few functions working then add more over time than to rush in with the kitchen sink and end up with an unworkable mess. This can be done incrementally over a few months. Also, not all the apps are phone apps, a lot are larger format designed for tablets which let you do more.	Webdevguy (17166)
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