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| Thread ID: 56630 | 2005-04-10 23:31:00 | Editing a scanned | willbry (1555) | Press F1 |
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| 343522 | 2005-04-10 23:31:00 | I need to scan a formal A4 document following which I need to type into various sections of it, then email it as an attachment to another party who will also need to add text to it. I scanned it initially in "Word" but found that, while it faithfully produced the document text, the format, special fonts, headings and layout were all lost.I have rescanned it using Kodakimg and the result is accurate though in .tiff format. I have a perfect photograph of the document but [1] how do I get into it so that I can type within it? Furthermore I find that in .tiff, this single A4 page is a massive 3 megabytes+ in size which makes it hopeless for emailing unless one has broadband.I have changed it to .jpg but the document then becomes far too small to work with.If I can handle [1]can anyone offer me additional advice as to how I can effectively forward on an edited version to someone else and [3] will that person need to have installed the same photo editing programme as I have to open and add to it? | willbry (1555) | ||
| 343523 | 2005-04-10 23:35:00 | If u want to add to it, you'll need something like omipage pro, or a program that can do OCR - Optical character recognition. Which can scan text This will save it as a doc, not in a graphics format. And then scan the pics if any again and save as jpg. Then u can add these back in again after u scan the text. Not too sure if programs like omnipage will scan the text as well as the pics on whatever. Once you scan text and saved it then added the pics, the other person would only have to have word, so they can open the document. |
Speedy Gonzales (78) | ||
| 343524 | 2005-04-11 00:09:00 | I need to scan a formal A4 document following which I need to type into various sections of it, then email it as an attachment to another party who will also need to add text to it . I scanned it initially in "Word" but found that, while it faithfully produced the document text, the format, special fonts, headings and layout were all lost . I have rescanned it using Kodakimg and the result is accurate though in . tiff format . I have a perfect photograph of the document but [1] how do I get into it so that I can type within it? We need to get some things clear first . Do you want to edit it or annotate it . The former will change the content of the original document, it will no longer be that "formal" document so, it depends on it's purpose as to whether editing will be acceptable . While OCR will reproduce (not copy) many elements in a document, the document is no longer original . Do you need to consider authenticity and copyright, if that is important ("formal document" ??) Annotating can be carried out on any image with the right software, Kadok Imaging can do annotation, if not very elegantly . You can carry out very acceptable annotation (text, arrows, etc) in Photoshop or Photoshope Elements or any number of graphics programmes . Furthermore I find that in . tiff, this single A4 page is a massive 3 megabytes+ in size which makes it hopeless for emailing unless one has broadband . I have changed it to . jpg but the document then becomes far too small to work with . If I can handle [1]can anyone offer me additional advice as to how I can effectively forward on an edited version to someone else and [3] will that person need to have installed the same photo editing programme as I have to open and add to it? A . jpg/ . jpeg, while a much more compact file format than . tiff or . psd will degrade with each save and the edits will not be saved with the file as layers and will therefore be no longer editable by your collegue . So, an editable format like tiff or psd is your only way if you wish to use and image and retain a faithfull reproduction of the original within the completed document, it will be a large file by necessity though . Although tiff files are reasonably portable, it is not guaranteed that a tiff created in one programme on another computer could be edited in a different programme, let alon on another computer . psd files should be editable in other Photoshop programmes as long as the image is not flattened, simplified or merged . I'm not sure of other image editing software, but it's probably ok . Otherwise, as suggested by Speedy, use OCR, format the text, insert the scanned images, etc, to in effect, recreate the document and sent as a Word doc or whatever text processor is compatible . The word doc won't be small either, but should be smaller than images with layers . (AFAIK, you can't insert psd images into word, jpeg, bmp and tiff are fine . ) |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 343525 | 2005-04-11 00:23:00 | Thanks Speedy Gonzales and Murray P for your prompy and helpful comments. Yes I need to "annotate" and will try OCR. thanks again guys cheers willbry |
willbry (1555) | ||
| 343526 | 2005-04-11 00:37:00 | Hi Willbry. I would have thought that if the originator of the document wished others to add to or modify it by any means then the document would have been so prepared and partially protected. If it is a document which the originator wishes you to modify, I suggest you contact him/her to create it with the approriate editing restrictions. :cool: | Scouse (83) | ||
| 343527 | 2005-04-11 00:45:00 | No worries Willbry . Umm . not quite right Scouse . If u scan and save whatever as a graphics file, you can add backgrouds to it, BUT not edit the text in it . If you're scanning something like a document . Thats what something like Omnipage does . It scans text . I think you're talking about permissions, like if the other user was at the same place as Willbry, and a user on the same computer . I dont think this is the case . It wouldnt be protected by anything, unless the program u use (like Word, if it were a doc), u gave it a password . |
Speedy Gonzales (78) | ||
| 343528 | 2005-04-11 02:51:00 | What Scouse is on about and I also mentioned is, permission to copy, alter or otherwise modify the document. OCR is no good for annotaion of the original document because you are dealing with other than the original once scanned. A scanned image on the other hand, could be considered a copy of the original and therefore annotation would be considered acceptable in certain circumstances, just like making notes on a paper copy. If you take extracts from a document (OCR) and present them without reference to the original document and context, you can also be in bother. As someone who produces and references "formal documents", often by the methods mentioned, I'm well aware of the need to tread carefully, least careers be ruined and large sums of money change hands to redress wrongs to injured parties. However, while the prorpose of this "formal document" remains unclear, all is just speculation. Which is why I asked for clarification in the first line of my previous reply. Hopefully there's no need to get hot and bothered over it. |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 343529 | 2005-04-11 02:59:00 | Hi Murray. Thanks for that note. I too make formal documents and forms which enable the client to fill in part of the form and return or forward them. I hesitated to get further involved because we do not know what the form is, why Willbry would want to copy and modify it and why he would want to forward it to a third party for further modification. I would have thought that if the originator had wanted that process, then he/she would have designed the form accordingly. After all, this is the sort of process followed by the person who was recently found to be creating university degrees for sale. Be good. :cool: |
Scouse (83) | ||
| 343530 | 2005-04-11 03:12:00 | Not even sure if it's a form Scouse, the phrase "formal document" is what I latched onto . That may make things slightly simpler as forms are meant to be filled out by someone?? Come in Willbury, come in :D |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 343531 | 2005-04-11 04:53:00 | Isn't technology wonderful? I am always impressed by the amount of time "saved" which can be saved by doing simple tasks with computers. :groan: What you need is a printed copy of the document and a typewriter. Or even a pen. :cool: |
Graham L (2) | ||
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