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347220 2005-04-30 00:57:00 You must be on dialup, or trying to mislead if you can't notice any latency on US based servers.

Go to www.trademe.co.nz (http://www.trademe.co.nz) and click a few links.
Then go to www.ebay.com (http://www.ebay.com) and make a comparison.

Ebay presumably has significantly superior hardware/networks overseas, but due to location is also significantly slower...There is a huge difference in performance

Correct me if im wrong.

That is an unfair comparision. Ebay.com Will be serving a LOT more users at one time than trademe.
ILikeLinux (1669)
347221 2005-05-01 01:07:00 Here at home I am on a 2mb connection and to be honest I find ebay loads very quickly, possibly a fraction slower than trademe but none the less its well within the bounds of acceptability.

I don’t want to start a flame war here, but having run both NZ and US based servers for the average website the latency is barely noticeable, if at all.

The advantages from a server admin side are weighed HEAVILY in favour of US servers, not just with bandwidth/hardware costs, but with tech support and network redundancy.

The only true advantage I see of NZ servers is if you are on a high speed connection having an international server may cost you in bandwidth fees where as NZ traffic is free.
Webbase (265)
347222 2005-05-01 08:47:00 I don’t want to start a flame war here, but having run both NZ and US based servers for the average website the latency is barely noticeable, if at all.

I agree. There is generally too little difference to notice and there are so many other factors effecting the speed a page loads, like the server load, you can't really say that Trade Me is a touch faster because of the location of it's servers.
maccrazy (6741)
347223 2005-05-03 09:47:00 Likewise not wanting to start a flame war ... just my opinion


I agree. There is generally too little difference to notice and there are so many other factors effecting the speed a page loads, like the server load, you can't really say that Trade Me is a touch faster because of the location of it's servers.

:) I didn't say trademe was a touch faster, I said it was significantly faster. I agree that there are a lot of other factors affecting the speed a page loads - but the original post reffered to latency



If you want an NZ server especially with Windows, be prepared to pay extra for what is in reality barely noticeable improved latency.

So here is a definitive latency check from my network.



[root@archelies1 root]#ping www.someNZHOSToverseas.net -c10
PING www.kiwi****.net (216.157.148.128) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from hsphere.cc (216.157.148.128): icmp_seq=0 ttl=47 time=200 ms
64 bytes from hsphere.cc (216.157.148.128): icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=229 ms
64 bytes from hsphere.cc (216.157.148.128): icmp_seq=2 ttl=47 time=299 ms
64 bytes from hsphere.cc (216.157.148.128): icmp_seq=3 ttl=47 time=211 ms
64 bytes from hsphere.cc (216.157.148.128): icmp_seq=4 ttl=47 time=255 ms
64 bytes from hsphere.cc (216.157.148.128): icmp_seq=5 ttl=47 time=249 ms
64 bytes from hsphere.cc (216.157.148.128): icmp_seq=6 ttl=47 time=267 ms
64 bytes from hsphere.cc (216.157.148.128): icmp_seq=7 ttl=47 time=251 ms
64 bytes from hsphere.cc (216.157.148.128): icmp_seq=8 ttl=47 time=209 ms
64 bytes from hsphere.cc (216.157.148.128): icmp_seq=9 ttl=47 time=202 ms

--- www****host.net ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9095ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 200.963/237.569/299.034/30.768 ms, pipe 2


[root@archelies1 root]# ping www.trademe.co.nz -c10
PING trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2): icmp_seq=0 ttl=60 time=21.4 ms
64 bytes from trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2): icmp_seq=1 ttl=60 time=23.0 ms
64 bytes from trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2): icmp_seq=2 ttl=60 time=19.8 ms
64 bytes from trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2): icmp_seq=3 ttl=60 time=21.7 ms
64 bytes from trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2): icmp_seq=4 ttl=60 time=14.4 ms
64 bytes from trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2): icmp_seq=5 ttl=60 time=19.0 ms
64 bytes from trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2): icmp_seq=6 ttl=60 time=18.6 ms
64 bytes from trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2): icmp_seq=7 ttl=60 time=16.5 ms
64 bytes from trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2): icmp_seq=8 ttl=60 time=19.0 ms
64 bytes from trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2): icmp_seq=9 ttl=60 time=17.9 ms

--- trademe.co.nz ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9083ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 14.415/19.182/23.017/2.416 ms, pipe 2


IMHO 237ms compared to 19ms is a significant difference.

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webdesigner (7941)
347224 2005-05-12 05:33:00 If you are looking for a host check out http://www.hostingforum.co.nz

(No I don’t own that site or run it, I am just a member/Mod there)
stu161204 (123)
347225 2005-05-13 01:46:00 However for the most part of it, dial-up/UBS users WILL NOT notice the difference.

For general surfing, I can honestly say that I DO NOT know the difference between when a website takes 20ms or 200ms to load.

If you are able to sit in front of your PC in your spare time while doing general browsing and notice that a website is taking 150ms longer to load than it could, I would suggest you need a hobby!!

If you're analysing statistics for a job, thats another matter... But come on people, its 150ms.

Im not going to cry if I have to wait even half a second longer for a website to load if it were stored on a US server as opposed to a local one.

I'd even dare to say most of the population would agree with me, or simply not care!
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