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Thread ID: 57091	2005-04-23 12:19:00	No Boot Device....arrgh!	Murray P (44)	Press F1

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347978	2005-04-23 12:19:00	Read the top bit and then go down to the bottom if you want to skip the blather in between ;) Primary Master, 80GB, (C D E F) . Primary Slave, 40GB (I J + 2 linux) Secondary Slave (K) . CD/DVD is Secondary Master, have a card reader listed in drives, no card in at mo . This system dual boots between win2k and Linux via Lilo . While in Windows (2000 SP4 + latest updates applied earkier in week), heard a strange zzzzzzz zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz, traced it to the box but it stopped before I could get a fix on it . It sounded very much like a small bee trapped im a small space . Anyway, about 1/2 hour later I get a BSOD out of nowhere (as you do), Stop: 0x0000007A, (0xC02F FE50, 0xC000000E, 0x . . . . etc, etc) address BFF943F8, etc, Data dump etc, atapi . sys ooohhhh goodie, no response at all, hit reset, then I get: Detecting Primary Master (press F4 to skip) etc, to a black screen with Press Any Key To Reboot, no other info . No Lilo boot loader, hmm this looks serious . Went to the BIOS, all drives set to auto except the secondary master isn't listed but, at least it doesn't say NONE . A few reboots and fiddle with BIOS settings later with no results, I pop in a Live Mepis CD . All goes well, I can see, mount and browse all drives . I spend the afternoon backing up last weeks neglected backup since Tuesday to another computer on the network (via Samba) plus another bunch of stuff as insurance . Tried to boot again without success . Opened her up and checked all the cables, no buzzy bee since the first time . Fiddle in the BIOS again, detection seems a bit erratic with the CD/DVD not correctly detected and the seconadary master on auto but no details listed as per other drives . Out and back in to the BIOS and the DVD is now correctly shown . Save and exit, we have a Lilo now, choose windows and away we go . While windows was starting (before logon) I get the buzzy bee back, but only for a few seconds, listening to the drives with the side of the case off, I'm hearing slightly more rats running on metal sounds from the two primary drives, (there's a strong possibility I'm imagining this, more aware, case off, etc . ) . Once in windows all is well, I tried to enduce the buzz opeining a bunch of programmes and files all at once (including Photoshop and about 30 6MB images), nothing, everthings sweet . Event log tells me I have an incomplete memory dump, nothing else out of the ordinary . Hmm the rats are running again, defintiely coming from the drive region, can't isolate it exactly, I'm sure it's louder than the normal disk access sounds which I can hear from time to time as well, no HDD activity on the LED either, very strange?? I haven't run any disk utilities yet, disk diagnostics only enabled for the primary master . I'll be getting anew drive pretty soon but, the 0x7A error can be hardware (bad blocks, cable, etc) or software (page file, drivers, HAL), there is no mention of atapi . sys with this error although atapi definitely points to the an HDD issue of some sort . Has anyone experienced this particular error and the resulting boot issues? Has it meant a dead drive, sooner or later?	Murray P (44)
347979	2005-04-23 12:33:00	Im picking that the drive is munted. Do you have SMART enabled? Check the drive makers site as they should have diagnostic tools you can use. Other than that good luck. At least you have made the backups you need.	Sam I Am (1679)
347980	2005-04-23 13:44:00	Already have Seagate DicWizard, have just run the extended test . It's of on the primary master but the primary slave is being interrupted and rest, ie; no result for the test but the rattles and buzzy bee take off during the test . Tried the shorter test just for that drive, still won't complete it :badpc: That drive has the Linux partitions on it, I: is Fat32, J is reisrfs, etc . MBR etc, is on 0 or hda1 but Lilo iirc is called from 1 or (partition) hda6 . No Lilo no MBR no boot = non bootable? Maybe one of the nix people could confirm my thinking . Will need a refresher on shooting Lilo and restoring the mbr for win2k only on C . The drive is just out of warranty too :(	Murray P (44)
347981	2005-04-23 14:39:00	hmmm ms kb (support.microsoft.com) Time to boot off a knoppix CD or something and shift that data off pronto...	gibler (49)
347982	2005-04-23 15:08:00	hmmm ms kb ( . microsoft . com/default . aspx?scid=kb;en-us;130801" target="_blank">support . microsoft . com) Time to boot off a knoppix CD or something and shift that data off pronto . . . Yeah, had a look at that one after I'd booted Mepis and shifted the important stuff to another PC via Samba, which was the first thing I did before even looking or attempting to fix anything . Just done more checks using windows checkdisk, no errors? I suspect it not so much the disc itself but the mechanical parts which are throwing intermittent hissy fits . BTW, the 0x7A error doesn't exactly match the issue, doing a search for atapi errors doens't quite do it either but, there's enough there to ahve me sufficiently worried .	Murray P (44)
347983	2005-04-23 22:05:00	fdisk /mbr has always done it for me. Not so sure about 2k though as I've never really used it.	Sam I Am (1679)
347984	2005-04-23 22:05:00	Buzzy bees are fairly common depending on make and model of drive. Rats on metal is not healthy. I think you've already diagnosed the primary slave has the problem. Take it out and then see how your PC runs without it.	pctek (84)
347985	2005-04-24 05:01:00	Thanks for your input peeps . Just wanted confirmation I guess and reassurance that I haven't missed something . It seems to be behaving itself today, which will be temporary state at best . The buzzy bees (more like an angry wasp trapped in a metal container) are definitely not usual for these drives, at first I thought it was shorting then maybe there was a buzzer in my machine I didn,t know about, it's not the system speaker though, ID'd to the drive as close as I can . I agree, the rats running across corrugated iron are a worry . It's all backed up now, so the only interest is in how long? Could run a sweepstake, $1 in, guess the nearest day/hour/ to failure ;) The fixmbr or fixboot commands won't work with a non-windows boot loader, I'll have to disable the loader first . Last time I tried to disable Lilo and roll back to win2k boot, I stuffed it up to the point where nothing would boot and my partition table contained erronious info .	Murray P (44)
347986	2005-04-24 08:19:00	what a weird noise.....	Prescott (11)
347987	2005-04-24 09:15:00	Could run a sweepstake, $1 in, guess the nearest day/hour/ to failure ;) Ok... I'm in for Thurs 3.00pm. Although he doesn't know it yet, Metla will pay my $1 :p	Myth (110)
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