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Thread ID: 59165 2005-06-23 17:43:00 Wish to give Linux a try, what are the steps? Renmoo (66) Press F1
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366589 2005-06-25 06:51:00 MS-Dos under Linux? DOS Apps? Sure...

Google for DOSBox :)

'nuff said!
Chilling_Silence (9)
366590 2005-06-25 09:37:00 James,
After talking to you on GAIM (you were probably on msn) i've realised that there may be some confusion about the command line thing.

Once upon a time the command line was all Linux users had. While it remains a good tool, common tasks can be done using a menu similar to windows or mac. To give a simple example of how it works, one may find out who owns an IP by typing "whois 22.22.22.22" Heres the result:

[~]# whois 22.22.22.22

OrgName: DoD Network Information Center
OrgID: DNIC
Address: 7990 Science Applications Ct
Address: M/S CV 50
City: Vienna
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 22183-7000
Country: US

NetRange: 22.0.0.0 - 22.255.255.255
CIDR: 22.0.0.0/8
NetName: DISNET
NetHandle: NET-22-0-0-0-1
Parent:
NetType: Direct Allocation
Comment: Defense Information Systems Agency
Comment: 7990 Science Applications Court
Comment: Vienna, VA 22183-7000 US
RegDate: 1989-06-26
Updated: 2001-10-11

TechHandle: MIL-HSTMST-ARIN
TechName: Network DoD
TechPhone: +1-703-676-1051
TechEmail: HOSTMASTER@nic.mil

OrgTechHandle: MIL-HSTMST-ARIN
OrgTechName: Network DoD
OrgTechPhone: +1-703-676-1051
OrgTechEmail: HOSTMASTER@nic.mil

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-06-24 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.


This is generally done in a "shell" which is simply a window for typing commands in. command lines can be used for a varity of tasks, but for most common tasks, just click the icon, as you do now.

Most people who use my computer don't notice any great difference other than different program names and so forth.
personthingy (1670)
366591 2005-06-26 05:08:00 Bit late now, but a cheat way I use it is a tool called VMWare

VMWare is expensive, and there is usually a performance hit as you are running 2 full operating systems at the same time.

The IT department at my polytech don't have a clue about linux, so they installed vmware on all the BIT computers & decreed that we could do anything we want in VMWare, but there would be hell to pay if we touched their windows instillation. Fedora runs OK (not great) now that we have 512mb RAM in all the computers, but when we only had 256, any OS ran like a dog in VMWare.
Greven (91)
366592 2005-06-26 11:32:00 Try Qemu if you're really set on installing it but dont want to yet re-partition. It'll be slow... But still useable :)

Just google for Qemu, I use it all the time!
Chilling_Silence (9)
366593 2005-06-28 22:58:00 James, have you looked any further into giving Linux a try?
How did it go?
personthingy (1670)
366594 2005-06-29 06:46:00 James, have you looked any further into giving Linux a try?
How did it go?
Thanks for your concern, Chris. I'd just collected a copy of Knoppix and Morphix from the school office, which was sent by Mythix (Real thanks a lot!) from Waitara. I followed you people's advice and booted up the computer via CD-ROM (talking about Morphix). However, I am annoyed at one thing. I can't change the screen resolution to a bigger one. The default size is 640 x 480, which makes all the icons very big and there isn't enough space for me to view the Help index properly. I am also a bit stuck on setting up the dial-up connection. I am on Xtra dial-up. By the way, how do I "quit Morphix and shut down the computer"? The only logical button seems to be "log off". Upon clicking log off, the computer seems to hang. I wonder, does Ctrl + Alt + Del works in Linux? In the end, I press the power button to restart it. How does the computer remember configuration on Morphix since I do not install it? I mean, Morphix only takes up the memory, but I thought memory is volatile, which means the data will be gone once the computer is shut down? Sorry for asking so much of questions, but I am darn interested in operating a new software (an operating system, to be exact). Thanks a lot, people! (especially Mythix!)

Cheers :)
Renmoo (66)
366595 2005-06-29 07:21:00 Thanks for your concern, Chris . I'd just collected a copy of Knoppix and Morphix from the school office, which was sent by Mythix (Real thanks a lot!) from Waitara . I followed you people's advice and booted up the computer via CD-ROM (talking about Morphix) . However, I am annoyed at one thing . I can't change the screen resolution to a bigger one . The default size is 640 x 480, properly . I dont use Morphix but heres what works for me in MEPIS .
Right click on any empty space on the desk top
Select : configure desktop
Select : Display
Options will be layed out in front of you .
If you cant see them, you can drag the config window to the left by using a click and drag tecnique, but dont double click, or you will shade the window, which means reducing it to the top bar only, which wont help at this stage .

You may have a situation where your video card was not detected properly . This is why things have gone to the lowest default . If all fails try Knoppix .


. By the way, how do I "quit Morphix and shut down the computer"? The only logical button seems to be "log off" . Upon clicking log off, the computer seems to hang . I wonder, does Ctrl + Alt + Del works in Linux? In the end, I press the power button to restart it .
Under MEPIS Ctrl +Alt + Del gives you a logout window, Ctrl +Alt + Backspace gives you an emergency stop of KDE (graphics interface) where upon it restarts and lets you log back in .
. How does the computer remember configuration on Morphix since I do not install it? I mean, Morphix only takes up the memory, but I thought memory is volatile, which means the data will be gone once the computer is shut down? Some live distros let you save a little . config file on the HDD, but otherwise your assumption is correct . You lose everything as soon as you shutdown . Live CDs are testing devices, and they have certain disadvantages, such as these .

*disclaimer I'm basing my advice on a installed version of MEPIS, which may or may not work for you in your slightly different distro, and live CD status .
personthingy (1670)
366596 2005-06-29 07:27:00 One point i should raise is that not all distros can be garenteed to detect your hardware. I settled on FC3 for quite a while, but couldn't get sound. MEPIS was the winner of the next round simply because i got everything i wanted working in one install, and so far only had to add evolution, (an email client) and NVU (web designing software) Live CDs have less resourses, but each one is different, learn what you can from each one, but if you hit a wall, just try another one. personthingy (1670)
366597 2005-06-29 07:49:00 If you cant see empty space on your desk top, under Linux you can open another one.

At the panel you will see at the bottom of the screen, you will see a set of boxes labeled "1" "2" etc There will probably be either 2 or 4. Each opens a seperate desktop allowing the grouping of related tasks.

Typical day for me sees
1 = Email clients and Web browser (firefox)
2 = Music files, and player (xmms)
3 = Spare
4 = Gaim (multi proticol instant messaging)
personthingy (1670)
366598 2005-06-29 12:14:00 NVU (web designing software)

sorry to hijack the thread a bit,

Personthingy

2 Questions
1) What is NVU like to use, I use dreamweaver and am not likely to change but it would be nice to have something that works under linux, i have read up on it, but most of the reviews were for earlier versions.

2) You're the token herbivore aren't you :D, I can't remember if your a Dunedinite or Cantabrian, but as I may be heading to Dunners in a few weeks, are there any good vegan shops up there (my wife is vegan), as there isn't a lot of stuff down here, and have you ever heard of "red star nutritional yeast" as we have been looking for it in vain down here, apparently it's a good source of B12, If you're not from up there, don't worry about it

Thanks
Morgenmuffel (187)
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