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Thread ID: 59289	2005-06-27 10:26:00	Acbel 400W psu, your comments?	jamesyboi (6579)	Press F1

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367418	2005-07-01 23:58:00	Billy it seems has just shot his credability to pieces, fair enough to state someing is not up to standard, But when asked to qualify it he replies. 1.He is bloody fantastic. 2.He has higher knowledge which will not be shared. 3.He can't be damned with lesser mortals. Poor show all around, and Billy has made all his comments in this thread worthless. Whats the point? I presume we can now go back to the assumption that the reviews Billy rubbished are in fact worthwhile but Billys comments are just fluff. I know whose input I will be ignoring in the future.	Metla (12)
367419	2005-07-02 09:10:00	Come on Billy we know your credentials and that your a clever cookie, I for one would be interested in what elements of the review aren't up to sctrach, I like many others come here to learn as well . A couple of paragraphs should cover it surely? C'mon kiddies, I have a life and a business outside of PF1 and don't spend all my time on-line either . I just came back to this thread after a day out on a job Metla, and when I read your first post (as quoted above) I thought "yeah, Metla's got a point, and he's been pretty polite about it, so maybe I will spend the time to do a bit of analysis to better explain my point . " Then I hit PCtek's request in the same vein and that firmed up my intention to do what you both asked . At that point E|im's post lowered the tone (and Metla you didn't need to roll up behind him, you are anything but a follower) so now I wonder again whether it is worth the time and effort . Quite frankly I don't give a rats whether any of you read anything I post, now or in the future, but your attitudes don't encourage me to spend the time and effort to translate the issues I see with those reviews into something cogent for you to read, so don't hold your breath . If I get time, I'll come back to them, but right now the idea has dropped off the bottom of my priority list . And before anybody accuses me of spitting the dummy or some similar colloquialism, that doesn't mean I won't do it, it just means it will have to wait a while . I've just enjoyed a mid-winter christmas dinner with my family, I have glass of wine at hand, and the rugby is calling . Cheers and goodnight Billy 8-{) :xmouth:	Billy T (70)
367420	2005-07-02 13:10:00	Heh? Whats up Billy? Why, pray tell are you insulting people?	Metla (12)
367421	2005-07-02 20:59:00	C'mon kiddies, I have a life and a business outside of PF1 and don't spend all my time on-line either . I just came back to this thread after a day out on a job Metla, and when I read your first post (as quoted above) I thought "yeah, Metla's got a point, and he's been pretty polite about it, so maybe I will spend the time to do a bit of analysis to better explain my point . " Then I hit PCtek's request in the same vein and that firmed up my intention to do what you both asked . At that point E|im's post lowered the tone Well ignore Elim . We are all interested, well I am anyway, as the PSU is one of the most crucial items in a system . Its all very well suggesting Enermax but not everyone can or wants to pay the extra cost for one . I was considering giving the Acbel a go in my next budget system or budget PSU replacement cause they are cheap! And ssms to have some recommendations here . Got to have a some choice . . . My brother had a Hyena in one PC once, ( I didn't know he had it as I always avoid them) it blew up one day taking out everything except his ram and the modem . (No idea why they survived) . So its a worry . I'm always paranoid about putting nice shiny new hardware into something where I'm not sure of the PSU . Here we have the chance to get some decent qualified advice so I think its great . Should go into the FAQ here . Thats why we are all looking at various other reviews/recommendations .	pctek (84)
367422	2005-07-02 21:21:00	What I always based my decisions on was what I've observed. Not just in my own enterprises but when at various places I worked. One place one of my main duties was RMAs. Apart from the obvious, I also compiled regular reports on it - what came back, how may, how often, who sent the most back etc etc You get a very good idea of the junk. I'd do it on a percentage basis too - of x number sold, what percentage failed. I used to note that sort of thing everywhere anyway. All well and good but hardware changes and it takes time (and a fair number of returns) to get good idea.	pctek (84)
367423	2005-07-02 22:22:00	My brother had a Hyena in one PC once, ( I didn't know he had it as I always avoid them) it blew up one day taking out everything except his ram and the modem. (No idea why they survived). I wonder if I should tell the 'techs' at my course about Hyenas? That AMD-64 based server they had me build for them has a Hyena PSU in it. They asked me (when putting it together) to take out the PSU that came with the case (low budget job), and put the Hyena in. Everything else in the server is reasonably good stuff (Geils RAM, Giga-byte mobo, Twin SATA Seagates etc) BTW, What does RMA mean?	Myth (110)
367424	2005-07-02 22:37:00	Hyena's are only as bad as every other cheap psu, They had a few make their way onto our market that weren't capable of handling the NZ powersupply and they failed en masses, but this was a number of years ago, It has since grown into NZ internet folklore. There is nothing wrong with Hyena's currently on the market, certainly i wouldn't source one to go in a high end system but people getting all hyper the second the brand is mentioned are just being ignorant.	Metla (12)
367425	2005-07-03 01:10:00	Hyena's are only as bad as every other cheap psu hyena's used to be good. i still have a few in p1 systems. i've never seen one die yet in an old system. they are just like every other cheap psu, they fail en mass along with all the other cheapo's. also idiot cheapo builders who use the same psu as in a p1 system in a cleleron/duron system is the cause of most of the greif.	tweak'e (69)
367426	2005-07-03 01:22:00	I wonder if I should tell the 'techs' at my course about Hyenas? That AMD-64 based server they had me build for them has a Hyena PSU in it. They asked me (when putting it together) to take out the PSU that came with the case (low budget job), and put the Hyena in. Everything else in the server is reasonably good stuff (Geils RAM, Giga-byte mobo, Twin SATA Seagates etc) BTW, What does RMA mean? Returned Materials Authorisation. Can't comment on current Hyenas but a few years agon they were in a lot of budget cases and the failure rate was huge. And had the nasty habit of blowing up, not dying quietly. As I said, as there isn't some technical method of PSU choice as yet, I base my decisions on what I have observed with parts to date and others well tested recommendations and such reviews that seem to know what they are on about. So lets have a qualified FAQ and save all this doubt and opinion.	pctek (84)
367427	2005-07-03 01:26:00	hyena's used to be good. i still have a few in p1 systems. i've never seen one die yet in an old system. they are just like every other cheap psu, they fail en mass along with all the other cheapo's. also idiot cheapo builders who use the same psu as in a p1 system in a cleleron/duron system is the cause of most of the greif. From what I have seen cheap psu's go fine when not in a system that runs them hard, Vast majority of the PC's I see are running fine on the psu they were shipped with.	Metla (12)
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