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Thread ID: 150980	2022-11-08 20:21:00	This Ozzie gets it......................	Zippity (58)	PC World Chat

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1489247	2022-11-08 20:21:00	www.nzherald.co.nz	Zippity (58)
1489248	2022-11-08 20:32:00	Errrr He's slightly wrong It's all in Māori, there's not a word of English anywhere in there," No its not, theres quite a bit, All the venues are in English, just as well cause many people wouldn't know all the actual towns ( in Maori). Understand what he's getting at, Bowing to a minority though is going to cause problems. Had someone try to speak Maori to a group of us the other week - he got blank stares soon changed back to english when everyone ignored him.	wainuitech (129)
1489249	2022-11-08 23:34:00	Ooops, my post didn't work out!	kenj (9738)
1489250	2022-11-09 00:07:00	I don't see what the hue and cry is about. If they want to put maori on their poster, why not? Surely it's their problem if nobody can understand it. And why should anyone care? I'm English and proud of it. I am not going to waste my time on a tongue that few people understand. I have more interest in European languages which actually have a use and many more people in the world understand. If you want to learn maori, I have no objection to that, but don't try and force it on me. I'm not the slightest bit interested. I speak English, the most widely spoken language in the world. I have travelled a bit and have never had any problem with only having English. But maori? Virtually nobody knows that one. Most people overseas have never heard of New Zealand, let alone Aotearoa. I would tell them that it is east of Australia. Most people know where that is. But Ken. What happened to that article by Michael Basset? You seemed to have chopped off the end of it. It would be good to read it all. And I agree with him so far.	Roscoe (6288)
1489251	2022-11-09 00:08:00	With thanks to the author, Michael Bassett Are you, like me, getting sick and tired of being told that everything about our culture is inferior to Maori, and that we should learn to live with a constant diet of Te Reo? Turn on Radio New Zealand in the morning and Susie Fergusson, Guyon Espiner and even Corin Dann do the news introductions in Maori . Try Midday Report and you get Mani Dunlop showering us with untranslated Maori phrases . “Aotearoa”, we keep being told, wrongly, is “the original name for New Zealand” when it wasn’t . As an historian who spent a decade on the Waitangi Tribunal, I abhor such crass ignorance . As Michael King pointed out, our country had no name in 1840 except a Dutch version of the words “New Zealand“ that had been bestowed internationally on our islands by Abel Tasman when he returned to Europe after his visit in 1642 . At the time the Treaty of Waitangi was signed in 1840 both signatories occasionally referred to “islands” or used “Nu Tirani” . It was Sir George Grey, much derided by today’s more belligerent Maori crusaders, who first popularized the word Aotearoa in the 1850s . The Main Stream Media (MSM), however, now use it all the time, telling us it was the first name for our lands: the New Zealand Herald, TV ONE, TV3, Radio New Zealand, Stuff, you name it: belligerent ignorance keeps being forced upon us at Jacinda Ardern’s behest and partly funded by the Public Interest Journalism Fund . Let’s reflect for a moment . During the 2020 election campaign no one from the Labour Party told us that if Jacinda was re-elected we would be flooded with Maori names, place names, new departmental names eg “The Ministry for Women Manatu Wahine”, a bulls-wool version of the Treaty they call “Te Tiriti”, assertions that Matauranga Maori is superior to western science, that lots of advertisements on TV would henceforth be in Maori, and that MSM journalists who could speak a little Maori would have their pay accelerated and their work-loads reduced . Nobody told us that henceforth European culture would be down-graded, false historical narratives would be taught to our children and called “history”, or that more and more hours of the school day would be given over to Te Reo and the peddling of demonstrable falsehoods about aspects of cultural relations . Or that no one in the Ministry of Education would lift a finger to ensure that children were told the facts, rather than codswallop . It is ridiculous to pretend that a language can be taught by sprinkling individual words into sentences in another language . At that level I could claim fluency in French! Let me be clear . All my life I have argued for Maori to have a fair shake . I marched in the streets in 1960 against an all white All Black team going to South Africa . Same in 1981 when the South Africans chose to send an all-white team to New Zealand . When as Minister of Internal Affairs I chaired the 1990 Commission it funded many initiatives such as building a dozen new waka to give Maori pride of place at Waitangi in the Queen’s presence on 6 February . As Minister of Local Government I supported local councils consulting Maori when issues important to them arose . I’m the first to acknowledge that Maori haven’t always been treated fairly . But I abhor the ignorance demonstrated daily by Jacinda Ardern’s government, her acolytes, ministers like Nanaia Mahuta and Willie Jackson, and their bureaucracies in the name of “equity” . In between all his other commitments, what efforts has Education Minister Hipkins, or his CEO Iona Holsted, made to ensure that our school children are taught factually accurate information about Maori and Pakeha history? I’d award them a fail mark on what I’ve seen of the school curriculum . Same for what the Minister of Broadcasting – yes, Willie Jackson – prescribes for RNZ and TV . If those ministers and bureaucrats had to pay fines for the inaccuracies appearing on things under their control they’d be bankrupt . If only Jacinda, her cabinet and her caucus had been better educated, or read more, they might be embarrassed by what is being done in the name of promoting Maori . Why didn’t they tell us at election time what they intended doing? Why the sudden surge of misleading pro-Maori propaganda the moment the election writs were returned? Is it now the sliding poll support for the Labour government that has led them to step up their preoccupation with Three Waters and a costly re-structuring of the health services in the name of greater control by Maori before they lose office? The worst aspect of all this is that the government’s relentless pro-Maori push is seriously damaging race relations in New Zealand . The 83 percent of our population who aren’t Maori – people like Chinese and Indians who have come here to work hard and to get ahead, not to mention the many generations of Europeans – have to watch rewards going to people on the basis of ethnicity rather than work ethic . Hard-working, talented Kiwi without a drop of Maori blood – and that’s all that most self- designated Maori possess – are passed over for promotion and a place in the sun under this government . The hermit kingdom they call “Aotearoa”, with its tightly controlled borders, has become a social laboratory aimed at facilitating a takeover of authority by a small racial minority backed up by a false narrative . Historian Dr Michael Bassett, was a Minister in the Fourth Labour Government	kenj (9738)
1489252	2022-11-09 00:09:00	I ballsed it up. Now up again. Ken :clap:clap	kenj (9738)
1489253	2022-11-09 02:06:00	[ Are you, like me, getting sick and tired of being told that everything about our culture is inferior to Maori, and that we should learn to live with a constant diet of Te Reo? No-one is saying anything is inferior, all it is is including language of people who were her before the English speakers arrived. Geez, why do people get so worked up? I haven't learned it, nor will I, other than the bits you end up learning just from hearing it...the usual, moko, kai, Kia Ora and such like. I can see the poster is advertised the band being at various towns at various dates. What the stuff in the middle says, I don't know but if I was interested in attending I can work it our from the poster when and where. How can anyone be so threatened by some inclusion of non-englsih words? Do they panic when walking into a say, chinese shop and seeing chinese writing on packaging and such? Have to run out of the shop screaming because it will do something terrible to them if they touch it or see it. Hell my car has Japanese writing all over it. Funny that ay...so is it how dare they put their writing on a car that will go to a non Japanese country? How stupid. Here's some stats: 1. Chinese — 1.3 Billion Native Speakers 2. Spanish — 471 Million Native Speakers 3. English — 370 Million Native Speakers Oh dear, out numbered.	piroska (17583)
1489254	2022-11-09 02:27:00	Here's some stats: 1. Chinese — 1. 3 Billion Native Speakers 2. Spanish — 471 Million Native Speakers 3. English — 370 Million Native Speakers Oh dear, out numbered. That does not change the fact that English is the most widely spoken language in the world.	Roscoe (6288)
1489255	2022-11-09 02:35:00	kenj - thanks for your posting :)	Zippity (58)
1489256	2022-11-09 03:35:00	Thanks kenj. Michael Bassett tells it like it is. As an old chap, I feel like a stranger in my own country. And to think I was once a supporter of Labour. I hang my head in shame.	Pato (2463)
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